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Aileen Reyes-Picknell
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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Location: Barrie, Ontario
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 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:22 pm Post subject: The whole world is me |
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Greetings,
You are me and I am you?! How the heck can that be? What is all this oneness and inter-connectivity business? I mean, who really talks like that? I'll admit, those words have entered my vocabulary since I began studying with the Wonders. When I started speaking them, even now, I feel like they are words that are "way over there" while I am right here. As I attended study groups and workshop, the Wonders continue to talk about these concepts and I slowly begin to understand and even see and feel glimpses of what they are talking about.
On Love
When my husband appreciates me and loves me, he is reflecting back the love I have for myself. That which he is (love) is that which I am (love) and vice versa. I like to think of it like a mirror.
I will be back to discuss this further...
Love, Light and Peace,
Aileen |
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Tina
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 760
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| Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Post subject: Re: The whole world is me |
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| Aileen wrote: | Greetings,
You are me and I am you?! How the heck can that be? What is all this oneness and inter-connectivity business? I mean, who really talks like that? ... [snip]
Love, Light and Peace,
Aileen |
Hi Aileen
Well, very few people talk like that, don't they? ...in everyday life anyway. But, there are more than a few closet philosphers and students of self-awareness & expansion "out there".  I count myself among the thinkers and the seekers.
In terms of the idea of interconnectedness that you describe, I think of it this way.
Two people can know a third person, and each of them has a totally different experience of who that third person is. Each of their interactions and perceptions are based primarily on their own filters, fears, hopes and, of course, based on how they choose to interact with and perceive that person.
In that way, you are me and I am you. Or, you are what I allow/limit/define you to be, and I am what you allow/limit/define me to be. Aileen is Tina. Tina is Aileen. But, Tina is also her husband Adam and Adam is Tina. Aileen is her husband and vice versa, and so on. We are all multi-faceted and endlessly capable of being this or that or this-&-that.
Our default setting (i.e. when we are lazy/fearful/unaware) is to be defined in the world by the world. I am the world, and I am at the effect of the world around me.
But, we aren't stuck there.
Once I consciously choose something and I am generating it moment by moment. Then, I am creating it. I am creating my world; essentially I am creating 'the' world. I am a creator. Then, the world is me - it reflects the reality I am generating.
Otherwise (and most often), it is the opposite of that. Either way, one or the other is always in charge.
What are your thoughts? |
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Mark S.
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
Posts: 82
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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Thnks for sharing your thoughts, ladies. Some very astute observations.
Along the same lines of thought, allow me to share a bit of poesy I came up with while trying to sleep this morning:
When there is discernment
the people point and say:
"Not this, not this"
To those such as the Nazarene J.
the people point and say:
"He is That. He is That."
In the hazy reflections of day
or quiet obsidian nights
people point to self and others
and say:
"I am this. You are that."
always pointing
always pointing
never knowing |
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Tina
Joined: 04 Aug 2006
Posts: 760
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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 It's funny this thread is 3 years old and has just been replied to. Much has happened since the summer of 2006. Poetry, for one thing, has happened.  |
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Aileen Reyes-Picknell
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
Posts: 192
Location: Barrie, Ontario
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| Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:04 am Post subject: |
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Greetings,
It's neat that there's some energy going on here. Thanks for sharing your thoughts Tina. I will add to your concepts my experiences with this statement.
Since my initial posting, my journey in observation of this statement has been amazing. I began to observe this statement by the people I was attracting into my life, first and foremost my husband. Okay, if I'm them and they're me, there you go. Very easy to say. Not so easy to swallow when I'm triggered, angry, unable to see and feel where the other person is coming from because I'm too angry, threatened, insulted (= scared) of what they're saying or what I perceive they're saying. I've noticed this happens especially when I've judged the other person as just plain "wrong" and ignorant. In short, inferior to me. Gosh! What a bunch of baloney I feed myself.
For awhile, instead of looking at myself and observing where that part was coming from in myself, I was too busy pointing the finger, claiming my husband (or anyone else) just didn't know. End of story. End of digging. I went around doing this, all the while, things weren't changing around me and this darn statement kept reminding me that something was not quite adding up. One aha moment came while sitting with a bunch of female acquaintances. One of the women felt judged by the rest of the women and left the group. She never felt supported by them. I quickly observed that she had worn her welcome with this group, after dumping her sob story over and over on them. The group was tired of listening, fed up and had judged her for her ineffectiveness of handling her life situation. Upon her exit, the rest of the group talked about how that women had an abusive husband, problems to boot and was attracting it because that's what she believes she's worth. As I listened, I thought, maybe these women understand this defining statement. And then they kept on talking, they bad mouthed her, dismissing her over and over again in their speech in self-congratulatory tones. I realized, no wonder that woman never felt supported by the group. I observed the rest of the group dismiss her in their attempt to get her as far away from themselves because according to "the secret", "you are what you attract" and those women were afraid of being like her. In that moment, I became aware of my own patterns of doing this. I saw how this statement can be perceived in a distorted way and exactly how I was distorting it for myself.
I took myself down a notch that day.
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Mark S.
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
Posts: 82
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| Posted: Sat Jun 27, 2009 11:29 pm Post subject: Re: The whole world is me |
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| Aileen Reyes-Picknell wrote: | | When my husband appreciates me and loves me, he is reflecting back the love I have for myself. That which he is (love) is that which I am (love) and vice versa. I like to think of it like a mirror. |
| TinaMack wrote: | | In that way, you are me and I am you. Or, you are what I allow/limit/define you to be, and I am what you allow/limit/define me to be. Aileen is Tina. Tina is Aileen. But, Tina is also her husband Adam and Adam is Tina. Aileen is her husband and vice versa, and so on. We are all multi-faceted and endlessly capable of being this or that or this-&-that |
I recall a conversation I had with a friend who had a problem with the seeming duality of violence and love in the world, and the endless parade of "victims" in the world. He cited an example of an old lady who was killed. Within this context he asked how does one become enlightened and I replied (using the extreme example) that until you see that you are both the victim and the murderer, and the very knife that kills, there is no elightnement. As long as something or someone is outside of self there is fear, and with fear, endless defining and separation and no ownership or remembrance of our immortal, stainless Nature. Being limitless means encompassing all things. As you both observed, 'this-and-that', not 'this-or-that'.
Most people realize that they are more than their mere body or mind. We create our own realities through perception. But if we are the beauty of the dove that sweeps low across a pale blue sky; the laughter and happiness of a child in the sandbox; the glance and subsequent caresses of two lovers meeting after months apart, then we also inhabit that which spawns war and calamnity and ignorance. Not separate from it. But with true knowledge comes the ability to live the knowledge. To move through it and be.
eventually all concepts (incl. personality, 'choice', etc.) and definitions collapse under their own form or weight. the prism becomes the mirror and the mirror dissolves. 'Brahman' creates and consumes illusion. It is no wonder that some Zen monks and Hindu sages do not speak, do little and just smile or laugh. |
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Judy
Joined: 22 Nov 2003
Posts: 1641
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:04 am Post subject: |
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Mark wrote:
| Quote: | | that until you see that you are both the victim and the murderer, and the very knife that kills, |
Well said,
That Which You Are Is That Which I Am, And That Which I I Am Is That Which You Are
Jim posted this statement a long time ago which has stuck with me.
That Which You Are Is Not What I Am
I've been looking into that statement now since Jim posted it.
This is what I've found about it. When he first posted it, it was a shock to me but I kept looking.
The answer for me was in the consciousness. The duality of things and the perceptions being held onto in the duality.
It seemed to me that we were buried in the dualilty of consciousness. This is love, this is not. This is appreciation, this is not. This is what something is, this is not.
The nature of the exploration seemed to be buried in all that.
So my conclusion to Jim's statement currently is this.
I am not the consciousness, I am far more than that.
But I currently exist within the consciousness, and to expand it is to appreciate it.
I so agree with you Mark - I am the victim and the victimizer at the same time. Sometimes I'm buried one way, and sometimes I'm buried another way - but it's not the whole of who I am.
Love
Judy
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Mark S.
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Judy wrote: | | But I currently exist within the consciousness... Sometimes I'm buried one way, and sometimes I'm buried another way - but it's not the whole of who I am. |
Yes and shifting identity from one concept or construct is expansive because as we consciously move through multiplicity we realize how vast our true selves are. We contain all things.
This process of expansion is empowering -- ultimately empowering -- and the idea that Love is All There Is, All That Is takes on meaning and significance. Love, or consciousness, is an action but to the mind it is also an idea, defined and therefore limited.
It may be most useful to move beyond all definitions of 'this' or 'that' or 'me' or 'I' or 'she', etc., or even "I am this" (ie. I Am Limitless, I Am Sufficient, I am an alcoholic, I am a ___, or I succeeded/failed at this, etc.) and be born to who you Are. Breathe and realize the nature of Reality is... self. And bask in the radiant Light and warmth of a million suns.
Our insecurities, fears, limitations and imperfections are part of who we are, our Perfectness, but do not define us. We encompass all.
A couple useful quotes that may help some trigger this awareness:
'If you want to climb a mountain, begin at the top.' - Zen saying
'Nirvana is here, before your eyes.' - Hakuin |
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Aileen Reyes-Picknell
Joined: 12 Dec 2003
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Location: Barrie, Ontario
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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Greetings,
Good Riddance Michael Jackson!
www.dailykos.com
I came across this article via a "friend" on facebook. The author of the article goes on to express how the world is better off without MJ. Some very harsh words. Let's just say, the article pretty much highlights obvious evidence of Michael Jackson's pedophile activities.
What is it about this man that rouses such a global response? Many, many years ago, I remember the Wonders' mentioning how Michael was exploring in this life using child energy. They predicted his early death. I never forgot this piece of info and have always wondered is child molestation a way of exploring child energy? I don't know. A great mind puzzle if I let it.
As I read the article, my feelings and triggers popped up. I felt it very harsh of the author to say "good riddance". I do not agree with Michael's sexually abusive behaviour, yet to deny the rest of his life, him, just doesn't feel "right". I have survived abuse. I know what it's like to wish the person who abused me (and all others like him) was dead. The thing is, after studying with the Wonders for awhile. I know better. I keep observing. I keep working through my feelings and owning the parts of myself that are abusive, in sexual denial, destructive, attention seeking, etc. Wanting someone else dead tipped me off on just how much I actually despised myself. Great place to observe. Great place to shift. Wanting others to just go away and f$#@ themselves. Also a great place to observe and a great place to shift.
Love and Appreciation to all,
Aileen |
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Judy
Joined: 22 Nov 2003
Posts: 1641
Location: Toronto, Ontario
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | always wondered is child molestation a way of exploring child energy? |
Aileen, I once worked with a pedophile in the prison. When I was with him I picked up this conflict going on inside him.
The innocence. He desired the innocence at the same time he wanted to destroy it. The desire for it and the fear of it were conflicted directly against each other.
Love
Judy
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paulg750
Joined: 30 Aug 2007
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Location: Derbyshire UK
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:53 am Post subject: |
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I am not so sure that MJ was a paedophile or if he was just living out a weird fantasy of his lost childhood. He was certainly a very lucrative target for lawyers and newspapers.
It is a pity that these days many people are frightened of contact with children because of the possibility of being falsely accused of being a paedophile.
Love Paul |
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Mark S.
Joined: 16 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: Michael Jackson |
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MJ was a victim of this, a victim of that, enabled by the doctors. Deepak Chopra said this on CNN yestersay so it must be true
Humans love to throw stones. The play of consciousness continues. |
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Judy
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Location: Toronto, Ontario
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